Looking for 222R Cases

Bluey,

You dont want to just form some .223 cases into .222?

As a bit of an experiment, I ran a few spare .223 cases through the .222
Remington dies, and while you wont set any speed records, I found I only
destroyed 4 of the cases initially, before I figured out the process.

Once I'd trimmed them to length(had to take off about 1.5mm to bring them
back to trim length), they look like they'd work for me. They certainly look
good enough to survive fire-forming in a .222.

Only problem is, I dont have a .222 to check they chamber properly, but I
cant see that being a big issue, as it would simply be a case of screwing
the die down a bit more.

Food for thought. If you werent in a big hurry, I can make up a batch of 50
or so from some surplus .223 brass I have here, but I probably wont get to
it for a month or so.

Cheers,

Rod.

Post by Bluey69
Title says it all .
Bertram & Co has no stock ,and not likely to for some time , but I would
prefer Super brand cases .If you have any extras or some you dont need any
longer please contact me here

Bluey69

2015-09-02 08:54:13 UTC

Post by Rod Outback
Bluey,
You dont want to just form some .223 cases into .222?
As a bit of an experiment, I ran a few spare .223 cases through the .222
Remington dies, and while you wont set any speed records, I found I only
destroyed 4 of the cases initially, before I figured out the process.
Once I'd trimmed them to length(had to take off about 1.5mm to bring
them back to trim length), they look like they'd work for me. They
certainly look good enough to survive fire-forming in a .222.
Only problem is, I dont have a .222 to check they chamber properly, but
I cant see that being a big issue, as it would simply be a case of
screwing the die down a bit more.
Food for thought. If you werent in a big hurry, I can make up a batch
of 50 or so from some surplus .223 brass I have here, but I probably
wont get to it for a month or so.
Cheers,
Rod.

Post by Bluey69
Title says it all .
Bertram & Co has no stock ,and not likely to for some time , but I
would prefer Super brand cases .If you have any extras or some you
dont need any longer please contact me here

Thanks Rod but I need 222 Rimmed for my Matrini single shot .
Same ballistics as 222 Remington but a rimmed case .
The 222R is a uniquely an Australian design and has no parent case to
make cases from .
Im sure there are some cases somehwere but finding them would be
impossible as me being a declared a saint

Can make them from 6.5x50 Rimmed , but the case neck will be .100"
shorter and I would have to wait for RWS loaded ammo to come from overseas.
Then disasemble and reform to suit .
Got a quote the other day for this way around it , $70.00 for 20 factory
loaded RWS 6.5x50R.
Mind you it will be higher quality brass than Bertrams offering.
I got some brass with the rifle 30 of them are Bertrams and have split
necks . The Super branded ones are ok .
I'll probbaly chop the Bertram ones down and use them as 357 brass if
the measurments coincide.

Kev.

Rod Outback

2015-09-02 22:08:25 UTC

Post by Bluey69
Title says it all .
Bertram & Co has no stock ,and not likely to for some time , but I
would prefer Super brand cases .If you have any extras or some you
dont need any longer please contact me here

Thanks Rod but I need 222 Rimmed for my Matrini single shot .
Same ballistics as 222 Remington but a rimmed case .
The 222R is a uniquely an Australian design and has no parent case to make
cases from .
Im sure there are some cases somehwere but finding them would be
impossible as me being a declared a saint
Can make them from 6.5x50 Rimmed , but the case neck will be .100"
shorter and I would have to wait for RWS loaded ammo to come from overseas.
Then disasemble and reform to suit .
Got a quote the other day for this way around it , $70.00 for 20 factory
loaded RWS 6.5x50R.
Mind you it will be higher quality brass than Bertrams offering.
I got some brass with the rifle 30 of them are Bertrams and have split
necks . The Super branded ones are ok .
I'll probbaly chop the Bertram ones down and use them as 357 brass if the
measurments coincide.
Kev.

Kev,

Apologies; I thought we were talking .222 Remington, and none of my
cartridge books mentioned the .222 rimmed. I see the later edition of
'Cartridges of the World' does list it, but mine (Ed 9) doesnt.
Hence, I thought you were talking .222 Rem.

Looking at the history of the .222 rimmed, you would have to wonder at the
reasoning as to why they went with a completely new case. If they had
worked on something like a necked-down .310 in .224, then there would be a
much easier process of sourcing and forming brass to suit.
One of life's mysteries...

Cheers,

Rod.

Bluey69

2015-09-03 00:10:50 UTC

Post by Bluey69
Title says it all .
Bertram & Co has no stock ,and not likely to for some time , but I
would prefer Super brand cases .If you have any extras or some you
dont need any longer please contact me here

Thanks Rod but I need 222 Rimmed for my Matrini single shot .
Same ballistics as 222 Remington but a rimmed case .
The 222R is a uniquely an Australian design and has no parent case to
make cases from .
Im sure there are some cases somehwere but finding them would be
impossible as me being a declared a saint
Can make them from 6.5x50 Rimmed , but the case neck will be .100"
shorter and I would have to wait for RWS loaded ammo to come from overseas.
Then disasemble and reform to suit .
Got a quote the other day for this way around it , $70.00 for 20
factory loaded RWS 6.5x50R.
Mind you it will be higher quality brass than Bertrams offering.
I got some brass with the rifle 30 of them are Bertrams and have split
necks . The Super branded ones are ok .
I'll probbaly chop the Bertram ones down and use them as 357 brass if
the measurments coincide.
Kev.

Kev,
Apologies; I thought we were talking .222 Remington, and none of my
cartridge books mentioned the .222 rimmed. I see the later edition of
'Cartridges of the World' does list it, but mine (Ed 9) doesnt.
Hence, I thought you were talking .222 Rem.
Looking at the history of the .222 rimmed, you would have to wonder at
the reasoning as to why they went with a completely new case. If they
had worked on something like a necked-down .310 in .224, then there
would be a much easier process of sourcing and forming brass to suit.
One of life's mysteries...
Cheers,
Rod.

The Martini has been rebarrelled with a heavy Tobler tube ,id it becomes
too much of a problem I could modify the extractor to a single claw and
load 222Remington rimless .Make the extractor even weaker than it
already is .
Rebarrel to another cartridge ie 22 hornet or 218 Bee 30-30 or 32-20
or 38-40 or similar the possibilities are quite numerous.
In the meantime Ill stick with it as is as I have afew cases to use .
Treated properly they should last me quite a while.
The previous owner had no clue to reloading and sold me the rifle
because he had trouble with extraction ,he did not have the knowledge of
how to cure the problem .
All the split cases would be due to his lack of know how regarding
powder loads ,neck thinning and annealing etc .
I believe it would be a very accurate rifle once a proper load is
developed for it .The barrel is like a 3/4" water pipe onits outside
diameter.
I plan to use it for feral dogs, Ernies ,puddins and wallabies around here.
Kev.

Bluey69

2015-09-03 03:46:40 UTC

Post by Bluey69
Title says it all .
Bertram & Co has no stock ,and not likely to for some time , but I
would prefer Super brand cases .If you have any extras or some you
dont need any longer please contact me here

Thanks Rod but I need 222 Rimmed for my Matrini single shot .
Same ballistics as 222 Remington but a rimmed case .
The 222R is a uniquely an Australian design and has no parent case to
make cases from .
Im sure there are some cases somehwere but finding them would be
impossible as me being a declared a saint
Can make them from 6.5x50 Rimmed , but the case neck will be .100"
shorter and I would have to wait for RWS loaded ammo to come from overseas.
Then disasemble and reform to suit .
Got a quote the other day for this way around it , $70.00 for 20
factory loaded RWS 6.5x50R.
Mind you it will be higher quality brass than Bertrams offering.
I got some brass with the rifle 30 of them are Bertrams and have split
necks . The Super branded ones are ok .
I'll probbaly chop the Bertram ones down and use them as 357 brass if
the measurments coincide.
Kev.

Kev,
Apologies; I thought we were talking .222 Remington, and none of my
cartridge books mentioned the .222 rimmed. I see the later edition of
'Cartridges of the World' does list it, but mine (Ed 9) doesnt.
Hence, I thought you were talking .222 Rem.
Looking at the history of the .222 rimmed, you would have to wonder at
the reasoning as to why they went with a completely new case. If they
had worked on something like a necked-down .310 in .224, then there
would be a much easier process of sourcing and forming brass to suit.
One of life's mysteries...
Cheers,
Rod.

Ok some news ,the website I have been looking at regarding Bertram Brass
does not belong to him ,someone else has put it up and does not maintain
it so every thing is outdated by a country mile.
I contacted a mate in Victoria and he had Bertrams phone no , so I
called and asked about 222Rimmed brass , they have heaps in stock so the
lady on the other end of the blower tells me .
Sold in lots of 100 , so when I return from the Summer nationals in
Alice Springs next week I'll order 2xbags of 100 , that will keep me in
brass for the 222Rimmed for years to come.

If any one wants his contact info please ask and I'll send it on.

Kev.

marko

2015-09-04 01:10:47 UTC

try AV ballistics - gold coast

Bluey69

2015-09-08 10:45:37 UTC

Post by marko

try AV ballistics - gold coast

Already looked there they dont even mention 222Rimmed .
I called Bruce Bertram and he said they had heaps , ordered 100 cases
today and received a nice E-mail from the Bruce.
Went down to the Alice for the Summer Nationals over the weekend , spent
heaps , so short of funds will get another bag of 100 cases later.

Also bought a new 8x 42 scope & rings etc for the Martini 222R from Lynx
optics. Keen to see if thier scopes are quality like the bloke says they
are.

marko

2015-09-08 11:23:35 UTC

Post by marko

try AV ballistics - gold coast

Already looked there they dont even mention 222Rimmed .
I called Bruce Bertram and he said they had heaps , ordered 100 cases
today and received a nice E-mail from the Bruce.
Went down to the Alice for the Summer Nationals over the weekend , spent
heaps , so short of funds will get another bag of 100 cases later.
Also bought a new 8x 42 scope & rings etc for the Martini 222R from Lynx
optics. Keen to see if thier scopes are quality like the bloke says they
are.

Nice trip. What I've heard about "non famous brand" scopes is that the
quality varies from factory to factory. When the scope is good, it's really
good, but another model (eg 6x40) might be poor quality. Next year the 6x40
might be the good one.

cheers

Marko

Bluey69

2015-09-09 14:23:04 UTC

try AV ballistics - gold coast

Already looked there they dont even mention 222Rimmed .
I called Bruce Bertram and he said they had heaps , ordered 100 cases
today and received a nice E-mail from the Bruce.
Went down to the Alice for the Summer Nationals over the weekend , spent
heaps , so short of funds will get another bag of 100 cases later.
Also bought a new 8x 42 scope & rings etc for the Martini 222R from Lynx
optics. Keen to see if thier scopes are quality like the bloke says they
are.

Maybe so . Time will tell I guess whether is a good scope or not ,the
bloke from Lynx says they are designed in Sth Africa and made in Japan.
He says that a few pro shooters are using their scopes and no
complaints so far .
He told me to return it anytime if I have trouble with it.
Had a couple Kahles scopes over years 2-7x30 om a 375 H&H Mauser 98 and
a Kahles S2 2x on a 45/70 Marlin , I took that off due to scope eyebrow
and replaced it with a set of Williams peeps sights , still have the S2
Some day I'll get another 375H&H and use that scope on it .
Mauser 375H&H got sold and the scope went with it to Canada . I really
miss that rifle :( wish now I had never parted with it.

I've got a Japanese Tasco 3-9x40 Antlered Game on my Mauser 96 and a
Nikko Gold Crown fixed 6X on my 98 they came with the rifles when I
bought them and have been on the rifles for years, both scopes function
well .
I think it all boils down to how they are treated ,you could wreck a
$1200 Ziess just as well if the rifle falls and lands on the scope.
Have 4-12 Weaver MicroTrac on my 243 had it repaired once due to dry
seals. I bought that scope in the late 70's well before they were made
in Japan .It started as a 3-9x40 , first time around when it went
foggy, Weaver replaced it with a new 4-12 x 40 .When I moved from Kakadu
to Katherine I noticed it went foggy sent it to a mate who worked in the
Adelaide Gun shop and he had it repaired by an old bloke , been ok since.

Mate in Halls Creek buys cheap scopes for his Anschutz 1522 22 mag and
has had the guts collapse in a couple of scopes, putting a dirt cheap
scope on a quality rifle makes me laugh.
The Martini 222R is a $500 rifle and I didn't want a super expensive
scope for it so I went with the Lynx as they are one of the few that
still offer fixed power scopes ,almost went for the 8x56 , but light
conditions are pretty bright here and the 8 x 56 was probably going to
be over kill.

Kev

Rod Outback

2015-09-09 23:52:19 UTC

try AV ballistics - gold coast

Already looked there they dont even mention 222Rimmed .
I called Bruce Bertram and he said they had heaps , ordered 100 cases
today and received a nice E-mail from the Bruce.
Went down to the Alice for the Summer Nationals over the weekend , spent
heaps , so short of funds will get another bag of 100 cases later.
Also bought a new 8x 42 scope & rings etc for the Martini 222R from Lynx
optics. Keen to see if thier scopes are quality like the bloke says they
are.

Maybe so . Time will tell I guess whether is a good scope or not ,the
bloke from Lynx says they are designed in Sth Africa and made in Japan. He
says that a few pro shooters are using their scopes and no complaints so
far .
He told me to return it anytime if I have trouble with it.
Had a couple Kahles scopes over years 2-7x30 om a 375 H&H Mauser 98 and a
Kahles S2 2x on a 45/70 Marlin , I took that off due to scope eyebrow and
replaced it with a set of Williams peeps sights , still have the S2
Some day I'll get another 375H&H and use that scope on it .
Mauser 375H&H got sold and the scope went with it to Canada . I really
miss that rifle :( wish now I had never parted with it.
I've got a Japanese Tasco 3-9x40 Antlered Game on my Mauser 96 and a Nikko
Gold Crown fixed 6X on my 98 they came with the rifles when I bought them
and have been on the rifles for years, both scopes function well .
I think it all boils down to how they are treated ,you could wreck a $1200
Ziess just as well if the rifle falls and lands on the scope.
Have 4-12 Weaver MicroTrac on my 243 had it repaired once due to dry
seals. I bought that scope in the late 70's well before they were made in
Japan .It started as a 3-9x40 , first time around when it went foggy,
Weaver replaced it with a new 4-12 x 40 .When I moved from Kakadu to
Katherine I noticed it went foggy sent it to a mate who worked in the
Adelaide Gun shop and he had it repaired by an old bloke , been ok since.
Mate in Halls Creek buys cheap scopes for his Anschutz 1522 22 mag and has
had the guts collapse in a couple of scopes, putting a dirt cheap scope on
a quality rifle makes me laugh.
The Martini 222R is a $500 rifle and I didn't want a super expensive scope
for it so I went with the Lynx as they are one of the few that still offer
fixed power scopes ,almost went for the 8x56 , but light conditions are
pretty bright here and the 8 x 56 was probably going to be over kill.
Kev

I've heard the name 'Lynx', but I cant say I've ever looked at one in the
flesh.

The first scope I had much to do with was a reticle-moving Zeiss 6x59, which
was on our Krico .243 for many years.
It started to get pretty dirty internally, and when he took over the rifle
from Dad, elder brother had it refurbished by an optics specialist in
Sydney; some years back.
When elder brother gave me the Krico (the plastic trigger guard had
shattered) around 2005, he said he'd like to keep the Zeiss, so I removed it
from the rifle.
It is now stored in the cupboard, but last time I picked it up, I was (yet
again) amazed at the clarity of the optics, and the ultra-fine reticle.
I ended up getting the Krico trigger guard replaced with a custom-milled
aluminium guard, and so I fitted a Hakko 4-14x56.
The Hakko had been sold to me as 'They buy their lenses from the same
factory as Nightforce in Japan!".
At the time, I hadnt realised that lens manufacturers have differing grades
of lenses, and I'd bet Hakko werent buying the same grade as Nightforce...
I was never impressed with that scope; it always seemed to be difficult to
see through, was very big, and the reticle was overly thick for the style of
scope.
I sold it to a roo-shooting mate, as he had a couple of them already, and he
seems very happy with it.

My next big scope purchase was a Nightforce NXS, in 5.5-22x50. Let me start
by saying they aint cheap!!
It was a purchase where the scope preceded the ideal rifle by some years,
and I spent a long time thinking I had bought the wrong scope for anything
I'd ever use.
I initially had it fitted on the Krico .243, but there was a bucketload of
reasons why we didnt get much joy out of this rifle/scope combo.
It was okay, but it seemed the results we were getting from the rifle were
hardly worth the expense of the scope
The Krico has now got a new barrel fitted, and shoots like a dream, but even
now, the rifle doesnt suit the heavy/bulky NXS scope..
This Nightforce scope is now fitted on the Exploding Rabbit Gun, and seems
the perfect companion for it.
The ERG is big, heavy, angular, and the NXS scope looks right at home atop
it...
The NP-2DD reticle seems a bit spartan the first time you use it, but it
turns out to give you all the info you need for long range shots.
This scope also has an illuminated reticle, which I have started to use in
the past 6 months; during the sunset Hoppy-pokks.
I never thought I'd have a use for illuminated reticle, but it seems I was
wrong AGAIN!!
As we transition from sunset into the very last light of the day, the
illuminated reticle has shared the love with another few more Pokk-Hoppy's
each evening...

Over the past 5 years, I have also bought a number of other scopes, to fit
to the other rifles:
A Weaver fixed-power 6x38 ("K" Series?), which I initially had on my 7mm-08,
but has now been replaced,
A Leupold Vari-X 1 3-9x40, that has been on the .223 for about 12 years, and
has been an excellent scope for that rifle,
A Tasco 3-9x40, which was trialled on the Marlin 30-30, but ended up being
sold to a cousin. I never felt the love for this scope; mainly because the
reticle was so thick.
A Leupold VX-L 4-14x50, which elder brother has on his .22 Sportco the past
3 years, but I think I will reclaim for use here,
A Leupold VX1, 3-9x40 which arrived late last year, and is yet to find a
job,
A Redfield Revolution 3-9x40, which has been on the Krico the past 2 years,
A Nightforce SHV 5.5-22x56 with MOAR reticle, which now resides on the
7mm-08.
I wasnt initially thrilled with the MOAR reticle(It seemed a bit too busy),
but it has turned out to be pretty darn nice.

As you can see, the preference here is for adjustable zoom scopes, but it is
interesting to note that I am using the zoom functions on all my scopes less
and less these days. Most of the time, the ERG just runs at 5.5x.
I tend to prefer reticles with defined holdover points for distance
shooting, and if possible, with nice thin reticles.
Unfortunately, there is no manufacturer who still makes scope reticles in
fixed power scopes, with anything remotely resembling holdover points.
[Hence we tend to buy more variable-zoom scopes, as they usually have the
option for reticles with holdover]

I have eyed off some of the new Zeiss scopes(Conquest??) in the local gun
shop. These are a budget line that Zeiss seems to have started, and they
certainly look to have nice clear optics.
However, I think my next scope purchase is likely to be a Nightforce SHV
3-10x42, which has a 30mm tube.
I have this scope in mind for our next .223, which I'm thinking might be
something along the lines of a Tikka CTR (Compact tactical Rifle), or maybe
the Mossberg MVP (Mossberg Varmint Predator), and this scope would top it
off nicely.
I think the Nightforce SHV range is one of the best value for money buys
around for a good quality scope, though the $AU isnt helping me make the
transaction any time soon...

I also recently enjoyed the sensation of scope eyebrow (hadnt heard the
expression before, but VERY apt!), when I failed to hold the 7mm-08
correctly, and wasnt paying attention.
I also came to realise that taking Warfarin while enjoying scope eyebrow,
can require a LOT of tissues to hold back the flow of blood!

The past few days, I have been able to get myself back into the routine of
the sunset Hoppy-Pokk session. The rifle of choice has been the Exploding
Rabbit Gun(.308 - mostly Nosler 150gn Ballistic Tips), as I was keen to
trial the latest reloading results.
Well, now that I have shaken out all of the issues in the reloading process,
I have to say that past few evenings have been VERY satisfying.
The ERG can reach out and touch Pokk-Hoppy's a LONG way away, and I keep
re-visiting the fact that the ERG opened a whole world to me in shooting out
beyond the 120 yard range.
[Prior to the ERG, I thought shooting much beyond 100 yards was something
that only those who mastered the dark arts could do... It turns out any
village idiot can do it!!]

Yep; it gets difficult to justify the dollars for the scopes on the rifles
you have of lesser value. The ERG and the Tikka have been easy to choose to
spend the dollars for really good scopes on them.
But when I get to rifles like the Krico, I struggle to spend the money to
buy the best scope to suit the rifle.
I have ended up with the best compromise scope that I could justify on the
Krico (The Redfield is pretty cheap, but seems to be doing the job just fine
for now), but I wish I could find a good fixed-power scope with a decent
reticle on it!

Cheers,

Rod.

Bluey69

2015-09-10 14:15:47 UTC

try AV ballistics - gold coast

Already looked there they dont even mention 222Rimmed .
I called Bruce Bertram and he said they had heaps , ordered 100 cases
today and received a nice E-mail from the Bruce.
Went down to the Alice for the Summer Nationals over the weekend , spent
heaps , so short of funds will get another bag of 100 cases later.
Also bought a new 8x 42 scope & rings etc for the Martini 222R from Lynx
optics. Keen to see if thier scopes are quality like the bloke says they
are.

Maybe so . Time will tell I guess whether is a good scope or not ,the
bloke from Lynx says they are designed in Sth Africa and made in
Japan. He says that a few pro shooters are using their scopes and no
complaints so far .
He told me to return it anytime if I have trouble with it.
Had a couple Kahles scopes over years 2-7x30 om a 375 H&H Mauser 98
and a Kahles S2 2x on a 45/70 Marlin , I took that off due to scope
eyebrow and replaced it with a set of Williams peeps sights , still
have the S2
Some day I'll get another 375H&H and use that scope on it .
Mauser 375H&H got sold and the scope went with it to Canada . I
really miss that rifle :( wish now I had never parted with it.
I've got a Japanese Tasco 3-9x40 Antlered Game on my Mauser 96 and a
Nikko Gold Crown fixed 6X on my 98 they came with the rifles when I
bought them and have been on the rifles for years, both scopes
function well .
I think it all boils down to how they are treated ,you could wreck a
$1200 Ziess just as well if the rifle falls and lands on the scope.
Have 4-12 Weaver MicroTrac on my 243 had it repaired once due to dry
seals. I bought that scope in the late 70's well before they were made
in Japan .It started as a 3-9x40 , first time around when it went
foggy, Weaver replaced it with a new 4-12 x 40 .When I moved from
Kakadu to Katherine I noticed it went foggy sent it to a mate who
worked in the Adelaide Gun shop and he had it repaired by an old bloke
, been ok since.
Mate in Halls Creek buys cheap scopes for his Anschutz 1522 22 mag and
has had the guts collapse in a couple of scopes, putting a dirt cheap
scope on a quality rifle makes me laugh.
The Martini 222R is a $500 rifle and I didn't want a super expensive
scope for it so I went with the Lynx as they are one of the few that
still offer fixed power scopes ,almost went for the 8x56 , but light
conditions are pretty bright here and the 8 x 56 was probably going to
be over kill.
Kev

I've heard the name 'Lynx', but I cant say I've ever looked at one in
the flesh.
The first scope I had much to do with was a reticle-moving Zeiss 6x59,
which was on our Krico .243 for many years.
It started to get pretty dirty internally, and when he took over the
rifle from Dad, elder brother had it refurbished by an optics specialist
in Sydney; some years back.
When elder brother gave me the Krico (the plastic trigger guard had
shattered) around 2005, he said he'd like to keep the Zeiss, so I
removed it from the rifle.
It is now stored in the cupboard, but last time I picked it up, I was
(yet again) amazed at the clarity of the optics, and the ultra-fine
reticle.
I ended up getting the Krico trigger guard replaced with a custom-milled
aluminium guard, and so I fitted a Hakko 4-14x56.
The Hakko had been sold to me as 'They buy their lenses from the same
factory as Nightforce in Japan!".
At the time, I hadnt realised that lens manufacturers have differing
grades of lenses, and I'd bet Hakko werent buying the same grade as
Nightforce...
I was never impressed with that scope; it always seemed to be difficult
to see through, was very big, and the reticle was overly thick for the
style of scope.
I sold it to a roo-shooting mate, as he had a couple of them already,
and he seems very happy with it.
My next big scope purchase was a Nightforce NXS, in 5.5-22x50. Let me
start by saying they aint cheap!!
It was a purchase where the scope preceded the ideal rifle by some
years, and I spent a long time thinking I had bought the wrong scope for
anything I'd ever use.
I initially had it fitted on the Krico .243, but there was a bucketload
of reasons why we didnt get much joy out of this rifle/scope combo.
It was okay, but it seemed the results we were getting from the rifle
were hardly worth the expense of the scope
The Krico has now got a new barrel fitted, and shoots like a dream, but
even now, the rifle doesnt suit the heavy/bulky NXS scope..
This Nightforce scope is now fitted on the Exploding Rabbit Gun, and
seems the perfect companion for it.
The ERG is big, heavy, angular, and the NXS scope looks right at home
atop it...
The NP-2DD reticle seems a bit spartan the first time you use it, but it
turns out to give you all the info you need for long range shots.
This scope also has an illuminated reticle, which I have started to use
in the past 6 months; during the sunset Hoppy-pokks.
I never thought I'd have a use for illuminated reticle, but it seems I
was wrong AGAIN!!
As we transition from sunset into the very last light of the day, the
illuminated reticle has shared the love with another few more
Pokk-Hoppy's each evening...
Over the past 5 years, I have also bought a number of other scopes, to
A Weaver fixed-power 6x38 ("K" Series?), which I initially had on my
7mm-08, but has now been replaced,
A Leupold Vari-X 1 3-9x40, that has been on the .223 for about 12 years,
and has been an excellent scope for that rifle,
A Tasco 3-9x40, which was trialled on the Marlin 30-30, but ended up
being sold to a cousin. I never felt the love for this scope; mainly
because the reticle was so thick.
A Leupold VX-L 4-14x50, which elder brother has on his .22 Sportco the
past 3 years, but I think I will reclaim for use here,
A Leupold VX1, 3-9x40 which arrived late last year, and is yet to find a
job,
A Redfield Revolution 3-9x40, which has been on the Krico the past 2 years,
A Nightforce SHV 5.5-22x56 with MOAR reticle, which now resides on the
7mm-08.
I wasnt initially thrilled with the MOAR reticle(It seemed a bit too
busy), but it has turned out to be pretty darn nice.
As you can see, the preference here is for adjustable zoom scopes, but
it is interesting to note that I am using the zoom functions on all my
scopes less and less these days. Most of the time, the ERG just runs at
5.5x.
I tend to prefer reticles with defined holdover points for distance
shooting, and if possible, with nice thin reticles.
Unfortunately, there is no manufacturer who still makes scope reticles
in fixed power scopes, with anything remotely resembling holdover points.
[Hence we tend to buy more variable-zoom scopes, as they usually have
the option for reticles with holdover]
I have eyed off some of the new Zeiss scopes(Conquest??) in the local
gun shop. These are a budget line that Zeiss seems to have started, and
they certainly look to have nice clear optics.
However, I think my next scope purchase is likely to be a Nightforce SHV
3-10x42, which has a 30mm tube.
I have this scope in mind for our next .223, which I'm thinking might be
something along the lines of a Tikka CTR (Compact tactical Rifle), or
maybe the Mossberg MVP (Mossberg Varmint Predator), and this scope would
top it off nicely.
I think the Nightforce SHV range is one of the best value for money buys
around for a good quality scope, though the $AU isnt helping me make the
transaction any time soon...
I also recently enjoyed the sensation of scope eyebrow (hadnt heard the
expression before, but VERY apt!), when I failed to hold the 7mm-08
correctly, and wasnt paying attention.
I also came to realise that taking Warfarin while enjoying scope
eyebrow, can require a LOT of tissues to hold back the flow of blood!
The past few days, I have been able to get myself back into the routine
of the sunset Hoppy-Pokk session. The rifle of choice has been the
Exploding Rabbit Gun(.308 - mostly Nosler 150gn Ballistic Tips), as I
was keen to trial the latest reloading results.
Well, now that I have shaken out all of the issues in the reloading
process, I have to say that past few evenings have been VERY satisfying.
The ERG can reach out and touch Pokk-Hoppy's a LONG way away, and I keep
re-visiting the fact that the ERG opened a whole world to me in shooting
out beyond the 120 yard range.
[Prior to the ERG, I thought shooting much beyond 100 yards was
something that only those who mastered the dark arts could do... It
turns out any village idiot can do it!!]
Yep; it gets difficult to justify the dollars for the scopes on the
rifles you have of lesser value. The ERG and the Tikka have been easy
to choose to spend the dollars for really good scopes on them.
But when I get to rifles like the Krico, I struggle to spend the money
to buy the best scope to suit the rifle.
I have ended up with the best compromise scope that I could justify on
the Krico (The Redfield is pretty cheap, but seems to be doing the job
just fine for now), but I wish I could find a good fixed-power scope
with a decent reticle on it!
Cheers,
Rod.

Ziess certainly make top quality glass , my mate in Halls Creek has a
early 1950's manufactured Mannlicher Schoenaur(spelling?) sporting rifle
8mm its topped with an 8 x 56 Ziess scope in QD mounts .The scope has a
nice tubular leather bucket to store it in when not needed .
I've always been impressed with the clarity of the optics on this scope
espescially for its age would have been fitted when the rifle was made.
He took a baboon in Africa a back in the early 80's with it at 400yards
using the scope .
Apparently Baboons are like our learned corvus , they know being too
close to a human with a rifle can lead to death .They tend to hang way
out on the fringes of the horizon when homus erectus is in the area.
Ive tried on a few occasions to buy that rifle from him but he wont part
with it , I asked him to leave it to me in his will but hes 10 years
younger than me and short of me killing him I some how dont think I will
ever own it.
If my Martini was a Jack Miller custom job I would definately top it
with a Kahles or a Ziess.

marko

2015-09-12 01:49:47 UTC

try AV ballistics - gold coast

Already looked there they dont even mention 222Rimmed .
I called Bruce Bertram and he said they had heaps , ordered 100 cases
today and received a nice E-mail from the Bruce.
Went down to the Alice for the Summer Nationals over the weekend , spent
heaps , so short of funds will get another bag of 100 cases later.
Also bought a new 8x 42 scope & rings etc for the Martini 222R from Lynx
optics. Keen to see if thier scopes are quality like the bloke says they
are.

Maybe so . Time will tell I guess whether is a good scope or not ,the
bloke from Lynx says they are designed in Sth Africa and made in
Japan. He says that a few pro shooters are using their scopes and no
complaints so far .
He told me to return it anytime if I have trouble with it.
Had a couple Kahles scopes over years 2-7x30 om a 375 H&H Mauser 98
and a Kahles S2 2x on a 45/70 Marlin , I took that off due to scope
eyebrow and replaced it with a set of Williams peeps sights , still
have the S2
Some day I'll get another 375H&H and use that scope on it .
Mauser 375H&H got sold and the scope went with it to Canada . I
really miss that rifle :( wish now I had never parted with it.
I've got a Japanese Tasco 3-9x40 Antlered Game on my Mauser 96 and a
Nikko Gold Crown fixed 6X on my 98 they came with the rifles when I
bought them and have been on the rifles for years, both scopes
function well .
I think it all boils down to how they are treated ,you could wreck a
$1200 Ziess just as well if the rifle falls and lands on the scope.
Have 4-12 Weaver MicroTrac on my 243 had it repaired once due to dry
seals. I bought that scope in the late 70's well before they were made
in Japan .It started as a 3-9x40 , first time around when it went
foggy, Weaver replaced it with a new 4-12 x 40 .When I moved from
Kakadu to Katherine I noticed it went foggy sent it to a mate who
worked in the Adelaide Gun shop and he had it repaired by an old bloke
, been ok since.
Mate in Halls Creek buys cheap scopes for his Anschutz 1522 22 mag and
has had the guts collapse in a couple of scopes, putting a dirt cheap
scope on a quality rifle makes me laugh.
The Martini 222R is a $500 rifle and I didn't want a super expensive
scope for it so I went with the Lynx as they are one of the few that
still offer fixed power scopes ,almost went for the 8x56 , but light
conditions are pretty bright here and the 8 x 56 was probably going to
be over kill.
Kev

I've heard the name 'Lynx', but I cant say I've ever looked at one in
the flesh.
The first scope I had much to do with was a reticle-moving Zeiss 6x59,
which was on our Krico .243 for many years.
It started to get pretty dirty internally, and when he took over the
rifle from Dad, elder brother had it refurbished by an optics specialist
in Sydney; some years back.
When elder brother gave me the Krico (the plastic trigger guard had
shattered) around 2005, he said he'd like to keep the Zeiss, so I
removed it from the rifle.
It is now stored in the cupboard, but last time I picked it up, I was
(yet again) amazed at the clarity of the optics, and the ultra-fine
reticle.
I ended up getting the Krico trigger guard replaced with a custom-milled
aluminium guard, and so I fitted a Hakko 4-14x56.
The Hakko had been sold to me as 'They buy their lenses from the same
factory as Nightforce in Japan!".
At the time, I hadnt realised that lens manufacturers have differing
grades of lenses, and I'd bet Hakko werent buying the same grade as
Nightforce...
I was never impressed with that scope; it always seemed to be difficult
to see through, was very big, and the reticle was overly thick for the
style of scope.
I sold it to a roo-shooting mate, as he had a couple of them already,
and he seems very happy with it.
My next big scope purchase was a Nightforce NXS, in 5.5-22x50. Let me
start by saying they aint cheap!!
It was a purchase where the scope preceded the ideal rifle by some
years, and I spent a long time thinking I had bought the wrong scope for
anything I'd ever use.
I initially had it fitted on the Krico .243, but there was a bucketload
of reasons why we didnt get much joy out of this rifle/scope combo.
It was okay, but it seemed the results we were getting from the rifle
were hardly worth the expense of the scope
The Krico has now got a new barrel fitted, and shoots like a dream, but
even now, the rifle doesnt suit the heavy/bulky NXS scope..
This Nightforce scope is now fitted on the Exploding Rabbit Gun, and
seems the perfect companion for it.
The ERG is big, heavy, angular, and the NXS scope looks right at home
atop it...
The NP-2DD reticle seems a bit spartan the first time you use it, but it
turns out to give you all the info you need for long range shots.
This scope also has an illuminated reticle, which I have started to use
in the past 6 months; during the sunset Hoppy-pokks.
I never thought I'd have a use for illuminated reticle, but it seems I
was wrong AGAIN!!
As we transition from sunset into the very last light of the day, the
illuminated reticle has shared the love with another few more
Pokk-Hoppy's each evening...
Over the past 5 years, I have also bought a number of other scopes, to
A Weaver fixed-power 6x38 ("K" Series?), which I initially had on my
7mm-08, but has now been replaced,
A Leupold Vari-X 1 3-9x40, that has been on the .223 for about 12 years,
and has been an excellent scope for that rifle,
A Tasco 3-9x40, which was trialled on the Marlin 30-30, but ended up
being sold to a cousin. I never felt the love for this scope; mainly
because the reticle was so thick.
A Leupold VX-L 4-14x50, which elder brother has on his .22 Sportco the
past 3 years, but I think I will reclaim for use here,
A Leupold VX1, 3-9x40 which arrived late last year, and is yet to find a
job,
A Redfield Revolution 3-9x40, which has been on the Krico the past 2
years, A Nightforce SHV 5.5-22x56 with MOAR reticle, which now resides on
the 7mm-08.
I wasnt initially thrilled with the MOAR reticle(It seemed a bit too
busy), but it has turned out to be pretty darn nice.
As you can see, the preference here is for adjustable zoom scopes, but
it is interesting to note that I am using the zoom functions on all my
scopes less and less these days. Most of the time, the ERG just runs at
5.5x.
I tend to prefer reticles with defined holdover points for distance
shooting, and if possible, with nice thin reticles.
Unfortunately, there is no manufacturer who still makes scope reticles
in fixed power scopes, with anything remotely resembling holdover points.
[Hence we tend to buy more variable-zoom scopes, as they usually have
the option for reticles with holdover]
I have eyed off some of the new Zeiss scopes(Conquest??) in the local
gun shop. These are a budget line that Zeiss seems to have started, and
they certainly look to have nice clear optics.
However, I think my next scope purchase is likely to be a Nightforce SHV
3-10x42, which has a 30mm tube.
I have this scope in mind for our next .223, which I'm thinking might be
something along the lines of a Tikka CTR (Compact tactical Rifle), or
maybe the Mossberg MVP (Mossberg Varmint Predator), and this scope would
top it off nicely.
I think the Nightforce SHV range is one of the best value for money buys
around for a good quality scope, though the $AU isnt helping me make the
transaction any time soon...
I also recently enjoyed the sensation of scope eyebrow (hadnt heard the
expression before, but VERY apt!), when I failed to hold the 7mm-08
correctly, and wasnt paying attention.
I also came to realise that taking Warfarin while enjoying scope
eyebrow, can require a LOT of tissues to hold back the flow of blood!
The past few days, I have been able to get myself back into the routine
of the sunset Hoppy-Pokk session. The rifle of choice has been the
Exploding Rabbit Gun(.308 - mostly Nosler 150gn Ballistic Tips), as I
was keen to trial the latest reloading results.
Well, now that I have shaken out all of the issues in the reloading
process, I have to say that past few evenings have been VERY satisfying.
The ERG can reach out and touch Pokk-Hoppy's a LONG way away, and I keep
re-visiting the fact that the ERG opened a whole world to me in shooting
out beyond the 120 yard range.
[Prior to the ERG, I thought shooting much beyond 100 yards was
something that only those who mastered the dark arts could do... It
turns out any village idiot can do it!!]
Yep; it gets difficult to justify the dollars for the scopes on the
rifles you have of lesser value. The ERG and the Tikka have been easy
to choose to spend the dollars for really good scopes on them.
But when I get to rifles like the Krico, I struggle to spend the money
to buy the best scope to suit the rifle.
I have ended up with the best compromise scope that I could justify on
the Krico (The Redfield is pretty cheap, but seems to be doing the job
just fine for now), but I wish I could find a good fixed-power scope
with a decent reticle on it!
Cheers,
Rod.

A bit of history, Ziess have always been at the forefront of optics,
microscope lenses etc. They set up the first glass factory specifically for
optical glass in Germany, called Schott, who are also famous for laboratory
glassware. When Germany was partitioned into east & west, the Ziess factory
was captured and so Ziess set up a new factory in West Germany. The east
german factory continued production and it was exported. There is east and
west german Ziess brands out there.

Cheers

Marko

Bluey69

2015-09-12 13:06:32 UTC

Post by marko
A bit of history, Ziess have always been at the forefront of optics,
microscope lenses etc. They set up the first glass factory specifically for
optical glass in Germany, called Schott, who are also famous for laboratory
glassware. When Germany was partitioned into east & west, the Ziess factory
was captured and so Ziess set up a new factory in West Germany. The east
german factory continued production and it was exported. There is east and
west german Ziess brands out there.
Cheers
Marko

Thats interesting ,wasnt aware of that .
I assume quality is not an issue between east and west manufactured items.

marko

2015-09-13 00:14:14 UTC

Post by marko
A bit of history, Ziess have always been at the forefront of optics,
microscope lenses etc. They set up the first glass factory specifically
for optical glass in Germany, called Schott, who are also famous for
laboratory
glassware. When Germany was partitioned into east & west, the Ziess factory
was captured and so Ziess set up a new factory in West Germany. The east
german factory continued production and it was exported. There is east
and west german Ziess brands out there.
Cheers
Marko

Thats interesting ,wasnt aware of that .
I assume quality is not an issue between east and west manufactured items.

No, they were both excellent. The West German stuff was supposed to be
slightly better, but that could just be propaganda.

Lindsay

2015-09-15 05:25:12 UTC